9/11

Here's a video clip purportedly of some of the firemen who were at the scene 9/11 discussing what happened.

fireman1: floor by floor it started poppin' out

fireman2: it was like, as if they had detona....

fireman1: detonators, yeah

fireman2: ...as if they were plannin' on takin' down a building

And, here is an interesting transcript of an interview with a retired U.S. Army colonel by Prison Planet's Alex Jones. Make of it what you will.

"Portugal-based investigative journalist has presented The News, with the version of the September 11th attacks that has to-date failed to attract the attention of the international press. The report, compiled by the independent inquiry into the September 11th World Trade Center attack, warns the American public that the government's official version of the events does not stand up to scrutiny."

And the man who put this on was Col. Donn de Grand , who's an American in a 72-hour non-stop symposium, deliberation by a group of military and civilian pilots under the chairmanship of Col. Donn de Grand. After deliberating non-stop for 72-hours, has concluded the flight crews of the four passenger airliners involved in the September 11th tragedy had no control over their aircraft.

...[T]here was an article...in the Washington Times saying the morale in the Pentagon had never been lower. And you would think it would be high right after 911 and getting together to fight the enemy. But it said that the officers didn't believe in the "mission" or in the intelligence.

...COL. deGRAND-PRE: That came out of the Washington Times and I can verify that from Col. Dick Schultz, who is a friend of mine in the Joint Chiefs. Morale was not only low but he said some of the troops are ready to mutiny...It wasn't an overnight thing. You see...we were on the verge of a military coup d'etat. And this was long in the planning and even after the 78 days of bombing Kosovo, it became critical. And we were close to a coup d'etat at that time. In my survey of the reports and the pilots who worked with that, a coup was a possibility. In fact, a coup d'etat was pulled on the morning of September 11th. Only it was an administrative or what we call a cold coup d'etat.

...DGP: Okay, I've got three books out, Alex, under the title, "Barbarians Inside the Gates." Book 1 was "The Serpent's Sting," Book 2 is "The Viper's Venom," Book 3 which just came out is "The Rattler's Revenge." And I'd like to quote from Book 2, which came out October of 2002. There is a very important paragraph there. It says, "The trigger for the 911 activity was the imminent and unstoppable world-wide financial collapse which can only be prevented temporarily by a major war, perhaps to become known as World War III. To bring it off one more time, martial law will probably be imposed in the United States."

AJ: And now we've seen Gen. Eberhart say that that's the next step. Tommy Franks said that's the next step. Are those now chilling statements?

DGP: Yes, they are. This next step will be preceded by what I write up in book 1 ' "The Serpent's Sting." I wrote of a coming coup d'etat. And this was written in the year 2000. And sure as blazes, it's coming. And it will be preceded by these kinds of things as enunciated by Tommy Franks, among others. So we are in a world of hurt, Alex.

...AJ: You're talking about an intensification of the elite in a coup d'etat against America.

DGP: That is correct.

AJ: Well, I mean, it's ongoing. They are federalizing everything, they are militarizing everything, they're engaging in the classic takeover, are they not?

DGP: Yes, there are. And from this, Alex, and I bring this out very clearly in book 3, the only way we can stop it is with the classic counter-coup d'etat where the military steps in. And under the aegis of the military itself, disengaging or disemboweling the civilian hierarchy and taking over and re-running or re-organizing the federal government.

Now, that's pretty scary. If some in the military are actually talking about a military coup d'etat. I suppose I wouldn't be surprised, considering all the hostility we have actually been privileged to see and hear about between the Pentagon and State. But I suppose this is why it's important to have high military officials like Colin Powell, who are actually boys for the civilian administration. It's my understanding that when John F. Kennedy had the first huge blunder of his presidential career over the Bay of Pigs, it was largely due to a bid for power between the CIA and a rabid chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer.

Let me say here that Alex Jones is way out on the fringe, convinced that the U.S. is a police state. I've read a few of his articles over time. The title of his website (Prison Planet) pretty much sums up his views. But there's always that saying that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean nobody's after you, so I think we dismiss out of hand "lunatic ravings" with some risk.

At any rate, everyone has to make a judgment for him/herself. Read the interview. Col. deGrand-Pre also talks about Perle and Cheney and Wolfowitz - remember the near-hit when he was in Baghdad, when we said that probably scared him out of ever going back? Well, Col. de Grand-Pre says essentially the same thing, but he also says he believes that was U.S. forces firing. I don't know about that one - anything's possible, we know that - but it's kind of hard to believe they'd fire on their own people (a colonel was killed in that bombing). Maybe they count on us not believing things like that, though. Certainly CIA has long held that there are acceptable deaths that include U.S. personnel. DeGrand-Pre also talks about the planes that crashed the WTC as being replacement remote controlled planes. Pretty much all the "conspiracy" events you've seen mentioned elsewhere, and then some.

I don't know. Interesting anyway. If you like political intrigue, this is the interview for you.

I'm not ready to buy Col. deGrand-Pre and Alex Jones' assessments completely, because hell, I think they're already there; the elites already control everything (that's another post on "fraudulent democracy"), so why would they be engaging in a coup? I could see the argument of a ploy to prevent a military coup, but how about just removing the suspect officers? Is that not possible? I actually don't know. I'm used to watching this type of story in Banana Republics, not here. (Perhaps I should consider my own assessment that we have turned into a Banana Grapefruit Republic, though, eh?)

Anyway, maybe a better way, besides a military coup d'etat, would be a citizens' push to retake the government and reform it into authentic democracy. But I don't suppose we're going to do that. We don't even realize we don't have a democracy. We don't even realize we don't really have a choice. So we just keep on going along with it.

....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.