You Will Anyway: Who's Lying?

Thursday, September 10, 2009

Who's Lying?

Well, maybe neither one. Maybe Joe just doesn't know what he's talking about. He wouldn't be the first hothead to shout down reason.

Anyway, the following comes from a Factcheck.org article debunking an anti-reform email that was making rounds:

Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.
FactCheck

TPM discusses the question of who lied here.

People also seem to forget that illegal aliens are already receiving free health care in cases of emergencies, since hospitals don't normally turn away people in dire need.

And in the category "Consequences"...

The opponent of GOP Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC), who yelled "You lie!" at President Barack Obama during his speech to Congress on healthcare, has raised more than $96,000 from online donors since Wednesday evening.
Raw Story

Ooops.

I hope that was because Joe was flat out bone-headed and wrong on the issue, and not because he "disrespected" the hallowed halls of Congress and the office of the President.

....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.

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