General Myers interjects:"The United States and the coalition forces, in my personal view, will not be the thing that will defeat the insurgency. So therefore, winning or losing is not the issue for 'we,' in my view, in the traditional conventional context of using the word winning and losing and of war."
-- Donald Rumsfeld, Pentagon briefing
"I'm going to say this: I think we are winning, OK? I think we're definitely winning. I think we've been winning for some time."
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