Showing posts with label Religion in Politics. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Religion in Politics. Show all posts

Sunday, August 17, 2008

Moral Failure

I heard on the radio this morning that when asked what they thought America's greatest moral failure is, John McCain and Barack Obama responded at the Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, during an event where they spoke to the issue of faith.

They should never have been attending such an event as Presidential candidates in the first place. But that's another issue.

Obama said our greatest moral failure is that we fail to follow a passage from the book of Matthew telling us that whatever we do to the least of our fellow men, we do to Jesus. And McCain said that it's that what we do is always a matter of self-interest.

Obama's line sounds like something he threw out to quote scripture - maybe so the God people would get it through their thick skulls that he at least knows some of the Bible, and isn't a Muslim. Or just pandering. Or maybe he really believes that's America's greatest moral failing, which would indicate a moral character of his own not deeply cultivated.

John McCain, I think, hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, his own greatest moral failing (which he claimed to have something to do with his first marriage - his turn to pander) is that he recognizes what a great moral failure is, but that he lives his own life spectacularly failing by the same standard.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Tuesday, July 01, 2008

Pick Your Poison - Part 3

It was actually worse than I thought.

The Democrat is expected to reveal his plans for assisting religious groups’ service programs during a speech in Zanesville, Ohio, later today. Before the speech, he will tour the Eastside Community Ministry, an antipoverty program that provides food, clothes and religious services to the area’s poor.

“We know that faith and values can be a source of strength in our own lives. That’s what it’s been to me. And that’s what it is to so many Americans. But it can also be something more. It can be the foundation of a new project of American renewal. And that’s the kind of effort I intend to lead as president of the United States,” Obama said in a statement.

  WSJ



You Can Have the Arsenic, Or You Can Have the Cyaninde

Pick your poison.

LaBelle sends a link to this Brilliant at Breakfast post.

In 2000, enough people voted for Ralph Nader, believing that there was no difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore, despite all evidence to the contrary, that it put us on the path to the mess in which we find ourselves today.

In 2006, Democrats won a razor-thin majority in Congress, and its approval ratings are below that of George W. Bush -- not because the Democrats aren't conservative enough, but because they are still capitulating to the Bush Administration.

And now, between Barack Obama's capitulation on FISA (which is likely to persist, Keith Olbermann's hopes notwithstanding), his jettisoning of Wesley Clark as if questioning whether being shot down was a sufficient condition by itself to warrant a free pass to the White House, and now a pledge to continue George W. Bush's program of Tax Dollars for Jeebus, I'm starting to wonder just how much daylight there is between Obama and John McCain -- and just what the hell happened.

Truth happened.

From time to time, I still like to think that Al Gore really was different. But I keep wanting to think the same thing about Obama, when in the back of my mind, that knowing little voice keeps saying: “Not where it really counts.”

I just don’t get it – who thinks it’s a good strategy for Democratic candidates to keep going to the right? They’ll never get the die-hard Republican vote, no matter how far they go, because Democrat is a dirty word to those GOPers – it means liberal, and that means evil.

But what they are doing is driving away the progressive arm of the Democratic party. And then they cry about Ralph Nader “spoiling” the election. It’s not Ralph who’s losing them votes – it’s themselves.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said he would spend at least $500 million a year to promote community aid programs run by faith-based groups.

The proposal would expand an initiative put in place by President George W. Bush to aid religious organizations performing social service work, which Obama said “never fully completed its mission or fulfilled its promise.''

[...]

Obama, a former community organizer in Chicago, would create a new White House office for the President's Council for Faith- Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Among other things, the council would help train faith-based groups on how to apply for federal grants.

[...]

Obama, 46, an Illinois senator, called for rules to ensure that the council wouldn't breach the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state. Federal money could only be spent on non-religious activities and groups couldn't discriminate when deciding who will get their aid.

  Bloomberg

So tell me then, why is this a Council for Faith-Based programs? Sounds like bogus hocus pocus to me. Why don’t faith-based folks just organize into secular organizations that help the poor? Why can’t they do their thing under a Neighborhood Partnership? Why do they need the faith-based coverage if they’re not going to be able to have anything religious in their activities?

And since Bush organized this affront on the separation of church and state without Congressional approval, is Obama taking advantage of a program so initiated?

I smell fish.

As today's Daily Twain (sidebar) reminds us:

History has tried hard to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of the government couldn't be wise. --Mark Twain

....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


P.S.

And from the comments on that post:

FranIAm said...

Obama is really upsetting me. As a practicing Christian the last thing that I want is more faith based crap.


This is not a Christian nation (I already believe this but I am also quoting my parish priest from a class he taught at church last night...)- it is a nation founded on religious freedom.

A.
Big.
Difference.

As he said - and I agree, if we want to be a Christian nation then fine. That would mean being compassionate to all, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, bringing justice to the oppressed, you know... Shit like that.

All the posturing is many things - it is not Christian.

Quite.



Thursday, March 20, 2008

From the Radical Wright to The Family

There's a reason Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.

[...]

Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," also known as The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

Sean Hannity has called Obama's church a "cult," but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton's "Family," which is organized into "cells"--their term--and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia.

[...]

At the heart of The Family's American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum.

[...]

Clinton fell in with The Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the Senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's "most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, The Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

[...]

Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells."

  The Nation

This should be fun.


Monday, March 17, 2008

Further Denouncing

Will Obama ever get freedom from religion? Louis Farrakhan, Muslim madrassas, Radical Wright. What next?


Sunday, March 02, 2008

Freedom From Religion

I passed by a huge building on the highway this week at Arlington, Texas, confusingly called Overcoming Faith Christian Center. For a split second I thought somebody might be trying to counter the Christian jihad we have going in this country. But, no.

Democrat Barack Obama says he's tired of questions about his religion. The Democratic presidential candidate told a town hall meeting Sunday in Nelsonvile, Ohio, in the state's rural southeast, that he is a devout Christian who prays to Jesus every night. He told audience members they would feel right at home at his church in Chicago.

  Yahoo

He’s already tired of it, and he hasn’t even made it to the nominating convention.

We've come a long way in this country when a person's religious beliefs are front and center in a presidential campaign. A long way in the wrong direction.

Bill Maher is trying to get fired again.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Thursday, January 31, 2008

Dear Lord

Raw Story headliners:

Catholic League president wants to take on Bill Maher in a fight because Maher says he could more easily believe in UFOs than in Jesus' divinity; thinks he "could take him," and complains that "guys like Maher want a brawl."

One-third of the 290 Methodist minister delegates to the United Methodist South Central Jurisdiction oppose building a Bush library on the campus of Southern Methodist University because it will promote his policies that conflict with church teachings.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Tuesday, January 15, 2008

God and the Constitution

Mike Huckabee: “I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do, is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.”

  W3IAI

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. -- Aristotle

When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis


Wednesday, December 26, 2007

House Resolution 847

You won't believe this one.

On second thought, you probably will be scandalized, but not surprised.


Twit Romney

The man is hopeless.

"Should God speak to you, and ask you to do something that might be in conflict with your duties as president […] how would you handle that?" reporter Natalie Jacobsen asks.

Romney laughs and then replies, "Well, I don't recall God speaking to me. I, I don't recall God speaking to anyone since, uh, Moses and the [burning] bush, or perhaps some others, but, but I don't have that frequent of communication."

  Salt Lake Tribune

As Joseph Smith, to whom God purportedly offered the new Mormon religion, spins in his grave.

I wonder if the current leader of the church, to whom God also purportedly speaks, will take away the Twit’s membership.

The Concord Monitor lays out some more problems with Twit's stability and asks its readers not to vote for him.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Harold Meyerson Is Tired of His Job

The Op-ed columnist for the Post has penned his resignation, I think.

As Christians across the world prepare to celebrate the birth of Jesus, it's a fitting moment to contemplate the mountain of moral, and mortal, hypocrisy that is our Christianized Republican Party.

[...]

My concern isn't the rift that has opened between Republican political practice and the vision of the nation's Founders, who made very clear in the Constitution that there would be no religious test for officeholders in their enlightened new republic. Rather, it's the gap between the teachings of the Gospels and the preachings of the Gospel's Own Party that has widened past the point of absurdity, even as the ostensible Christianization of the party proceeds apace.

[...]

[If] Bush can conform his advocacy of preemptive war with Jesus's Sermon on the Mount admonition to turn the other cheek, he's a more creative theologian than we have given him credit for. Likewise his support of torture.

[...]

It's not just Bush whose catechism is a merry mix of torture and piety. Virtually the entire Republican House delegation opposed the ban on waterboarding. Among the Republican presidential candidates, only Huckabee and the not-very-religious John McCain have come out against torture, while only libertarian Ron Paul has questioned the doctrine of preemptive war.

[...]

But it's on their policies concerning immigrants where Republicans -- candidates and voters alike -- really run afoul of biblical writ. Not on immigration as such but on the treatment of immigrants who are already here. […] The Bible isn't big on immigrant documentation. "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger nor oppress him," Exodus says the Lord told Moses on Mount Sinai, "for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."

[...]

The demand for a more regulated immigration policy comes from virtually all points on our political spectrum, but the push to persecute the immigrants already among us comes distinctly, though by no means entirely, from the same Republican right that protests its Christian faith at every turn.

[...]

We've seen this kind of Christianity before in America. It's more tribal than religious, and it surges at those times when our country is growing more diverse and economic opportunity is not abounding. At its height in the 1920s, the Ku Klux Klan was chiefly the political expression of nativist Protestants upset by the growing ranks of Catholics in their midst.

It's difficult today to imagine KKKers thinking of their mission as Christian, but millions of them did.

[...]

The most depressing thing about the Republican presidential race is that the party's rank and file require their candidates to grow meaner with each passing week. And now, inconveniently, inconsiderately, comes Christmas, a holiday that couldn't be better calibrated to expose the Republicans' rank, fetid hypocrisy.

Enjoy your retirement Hal.


Saturday, December 15, 2007

By Design


In 2005, a federal judge appointed by George Bush, John Jones III, slapped down a bid in Dover, Pennsylvania, to insert creationism into public school science. (He received death threats for his efforts.) Don’t expect the creationists to give up. Texas looks like friendly territory.

The Austin-American Statesman reported last week that science curriculum director Chris Comer's ouster followed her circulation of an email announcing an upcoming speech by Barbara Forrest, co-author of Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design and an expert witness in Kitzmiller v. Dover.

[...]

Hours after Comer used her work email account to forward the Forrest announcement to friends and a few online communities, Texas Education Agency adviser Lizzette Reynolds emailed Comer's bosses and called for her dismissal.

  Wired

Now, it appears that TEA employees can also jeopardize their jobs for not having a sufficiently sunny attitude about the current education scheme in Texas. In October, Lizzette Reynolds - the same person who called for Comer to be fired - found a “fire-able offense” in an email sent by Cami Jones, TEA’s director of early childhood development, according to copies of agency e-mails obtained by the Observer.

[...]

The offending line came at the end of a long e-mail Jones sent to Pam Schiller, a freelance early childhood consultant and author, answering a question about upcoming revisions to the Pre-K curriculum. “I long for the good ole’ days when we were making good things happen for young children. Those were the days….take care….”

  Texas Observer

Alas, Ms. Jones is the one who needed to “take care.”

Schiller said Jones has butted heads with the No Child Left Behind partisans who run the show at TEA. “I think Cami has a difficult time there,” Schiller said. “She is kind of Don Quixote. She fights for the rights of children in a sturdy way. She is firm in her philosophical foundation of what she thinks is appropriate for small children … I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t looking for a way to make her quiet.”

In the interview with the Statesman published today, Reynolds baldly asserted that she “doesn’t think there is a muzzle on anyone [at TEA]. Everyone can express their opinions — goodness knows I have many — but we are a state agency and must respect the beliefs of Catholics, atheists, Jews, Christians, Muslims, everyone.”

But we won’t be listening to information that shows “intelligent design” is not science.

According to the [Institute for Creation], based in Dallas, “flexible blood vessels” discovered in dinosaur bones proves that dinos have only been around for centuries instead of millenia. Also, in the ICR’s December issue of Acts & Facts, the ICR’s director of research, Dr. Vardiman, discusses his scientific project called RATE (that’s radioisotopes and the age of earth for the uninitiated). His findings have led to the major conclusion that the Earth is thousands — not billions of years old. Dr. Vardiman admits he’s still struggling with some pesky scientific questions

  Texas Observer

The Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board Committee tabled consideration until January of the Institute for Creation Research’s request to grant degrees in Texas.

[...]

When asked if the commissioners wanted the subject read out at the meeting, they mumbled “no thanks” and the subject was tabled until the next board meeting on January 24th.

“It would seem odd for a state agency to certify a science degree at an institution that doesn’t teach science,” says Dan Quinn, Communications director at Texas Freedom Network.

Odd indeed, but then again, this is Texas.

  Texas Observer

Nova has a 2-hour documentary (in several parts so you can watch it as you find the time) available on its website entitled: Judgment Day: Intelligent design on trial. I saw it on TV recently, and learned, as did Judge Jones, a lot more about research and new evidence for the theory of evolution since I was in school. It’s a very nicely put together program. I recommend you watch it if you haven’t seen it already or didn't follow the Dover case.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Saturday Roundup

Musharraf lifted emergency rule in Pakistan today.


The US representative to Bali's climate talks was appropriately told that the rest of the world looked to the US to lead, but if we're not going to lead, we should get out of the way.

News sources are making a big deal out of the US delegate's turn-around to finally agree to consensus on the accord. That accord is an agreement to begin 2-year negotiations to revamp the Kyoto treaty. So, don't worry. We can still stand in the way when it matters.


[Mitch] McConnell and his fellow Republicans are playing such tight defense, blocking nearly every bill proposed by the slim Democratic majority that they are increasingly able to dictate what they want, much to the dismay of the majority leader, Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, and frustrated Democrats in the House.

In fact, the Senate Republicans are so accustomed to blocking measures that when the Democrats finally agreed last week to their demands on a bill to repair the alternative minimum tax, the Republicans still objected, briefly blocking the version of the bill that they wanted before scrambling to approve it later.

  NYT

Maru at WTF reacts:

Unprincipled scumholes. Jebus Christ. And don't get me started on the Capitulation Party. Damn.


Iran absolutely, positively must not have any nuclear weapons capabilities. Libya, on the other hand, may. And Pakistan? Already done. And, hey, the US government already made available the information necessary on a military website. Arab translation gratis.

The reaction at WTF?


The Democratic "opposition" in Congress – you know, the party that represents the common people, good working folk and the most vulnerable in our society: the sick, the old, the poor, the children – have just effected yet another capitulation to Money Power, gutting an energy bill that would have required Big Oil – now reaping the most gargantuan profit margins in the entire history of human enterprise – to pay a pittance in new taxes.

[...]

These measures – displeasing to the boardroom lords and their viceroy in the White House – were dutifully stripped out by Senate Majority Leader Harry "Shaky Knees" Reid.

  Empire Burlesque


Time and time again, President Bush has run circles around what is, at least on paper, a co-equal branch of government. Sometimes he doesn't bother to ask Congress for its approval. Sometimes he demands it -- and gets it.

Amazingly enough, that didn't change when the Democrats won control of the House and Senate. They just make a bit more fuss before rolling over.

Charles Babington writes for the Associated Press: "Congressional Democrats prepared Wednesday for major concessions on Iraq war funding, children's health insurance, tax policies, general spending and energy, because they could not overcome vetoes by President Bush.

[...]

Historians looking back on the Bush presidency may well wonder if Congress actually existed.

  WaPo


By a vote of 12-7, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved contempt resolutions against Karl Rove and Joshua Bolten, White House chief of staff.

The criminal contempt resolutions now move to the Senate floor, although no action on them is expected until next year.

  Politico

I would have said that no action on them is expected, period. Maybe a little toothless verbiage.

Two major Republicans voted for the resolution which comes from the refusal of the WH to testify or turn over documents on the Attorney General purges: Arlen Spector and Iowa’s Charles Grassley.

Seattle’s Democratic Reprsentative Jim McDermott, however, showing a suicidal choice of battles, voted against a resolution”recognizing the importance of Christmas” as a protest to Bush’s power over Congress.


"While the Republicans are passing a resolution celebrating Christmas, the president was vetoing health care for children. There's a little bit of irony going on around here," McDermott said Thursday.

Earlier this year, McDermott voted in favor of resolutions honoring Ramadan and Diwali. Ramadan is an Islamic holiday, while Diwali is celebrated by Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and others.

  Bellingham Herald


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Sunday, December 09, 2007

Romney Attempts to Channel JFK

"And you're no John Kennedy."


It finally became necessary for Twit Romney to address the issue of his religious faith, since a huge block of voters in the country are Christian Taliban. How'd he do?

[Romney] seems to have decided his only hope of winning is to appeal to the religious conservatives - the very people who will reject him out of religious prejudice. But you can't pander to religious beliefs without triggering faith-based prejudices; and then, when it does occur, to cry "foul" seems a bit insincere. The forces of religious prejudice that Romney is up against can only be tamed with the tolerant secularism he fails to understand, but so clearly despises.

[...]

I have wondered, can it be considered political courage to proclaim your faith in God and your loathing of secularism (and Europeans) to a conservative religious audience?

[...]

It certainly is not a good thing for our democracy when Romney says that religious tests are unfair, but then, by confessing his faith and saying such religious belief is essential to our political well-being, merely creates another type of religious test. We need men and women of integrity and constancy, not those of expediency and inconsistency. We need men and women who will educate public thought, not just pander to public opinion.

Can I get an ‘Amen!’?

That is the opinion of Jeffrey S. Nielsen in the Salt Lake Tribune. Let me expand.

From Romney’s speech:

"We separate church and state affairs in this country, and for good reason. No religion should dictate to the state nor should the state interfere with the free practice of religion. But in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the religion of secularism. They are wrong.”

Jeffrey Nielsen:

The great benefit of secularism is that it has left room for religious practice in our private lives while protecting it from the intolerance of religious fundamentalism - something that hasn't occurred in governments where secularism is despised. So, for someone to praise religious toleration while condemning secularism is to be simply ignorant of our history, and foolish about the possibilities of our future, if religion and government are not kept separate.

[...]

The best defense of pure religion is a healthy secularism, where religious faith is a private and protected matter. In fact, Romney's Mormonism is more respected among secularists than among conservative evangelicals. His faith would be suppressed in a government controlled by religious conservatism, while it has been allowed to flourish with a secular government.

Romney speech:

“Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of god, not an indulgence of government."

That is such an obvious load, it needs little comment. God isn’t holding the keys to Guantanamo or any of the secret and political prisons around the world. They are in the hands of governments. Liberty is demonstratedly a very real indulgence of government.

“We should acknowledge the Creator as did the founders – in ceremony and word. He should remain on our currency, in our pledge, in the teaching of our history, and during the holiday season, nativity scenes and menorahs should be welcome in our public places. Our greatness would not long endure without judges who respect the foundation of faith upon which our constitution rests. I will take care to separate the affairs of government from any religion, but I will not separate us from 'the God who gave us liberty.'"

[...]

“The founders proscribed the establishment of a state religion, but they did not countenance the elimination of religion from the public square. We are a nation 'Under God' and in God, we do indeed trust.”

Although Romney does not specifically say that those phrases were handed down from the founders, by referring to them directly after a sentence claiming they were opposed to eliminating religion “from the public square”, he implies it. So let’s just have a look at that “under God” and “in God we trust” business.

A history lesson on the Pledge of Allegiance:

The Pledge of Allegiance was written for the popular kid's magazine Youth's Companion by Christian Socialist author and Baptist minister Francis Bellamy on September 7, 1892. The owners of Youth's Companion were selling flags to schools, and approached Bellamy to write the Pledge for their advertising campaign. It was marketed as a way to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Columbus arriving in the Americas and was first published on the following day.

Bellamy's original Pledge read as follows: I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, and was seen by some as a call for national unity and wholeness after the divisive Civil War. The pledge was supposed to be quick and to the point. Bellamy designed it to be stated in 15 seconds. He had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity but decided they were too controversial since many people still opposed equal rights for women and blacks.

The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Pledge as the official national pledge on December 28, 1945.

The Knights of Columbus in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity.

[...]

Senator Homer Ferguson, in his report to the Congress on March 10, 1954, said, "The introduction of this joint resolution [to add the words “under God” to the pledge] was suggested to me by a sermon given recently by the Rev. George M. Docherty, of Washington, D.C., who is pastor of the church at which Lincoln worshipped." This time Congress concurred with the Oakman-Ferguson resolution, and Eisenhower opted to sign the bill into law on Flag Day (June 14, 1954).

The pledge originated as a marketing gimmick. How very American. And 1954 is a long way from the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights.

A history lesson on the motto on our coins:

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861.

[...]

[An] Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States.

[...]

IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.

1864 is not 1776.

Back to Twit.

"I think a person who's running for president or who's going to be president is someone who wants to, particularly in times of great need, to call on the prayers of all the people of America and not define him or herself as based upon a particular branch of faith.

[...]

" A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.”

Oh, really?

[W]hen Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney recently addressed a group of a prominent local conservatives at a Las Vegas fundraiser, [local Republican George Harris] lobbed the first question: “If you are elected President,” he asked, “will you include any Muslim members in your cabinet?”

In the seconds before former Massachusetts Governor Romney responded, you could have heard a pin drop.

His (admittedly, very smooth) answer in a nutshell? “Not likely.”

  Liberty Watch

[Irma Aguirre, a former finance director of the Nevada Republican Party] says that she was at [a private fundraising luncheon at Lawry's restaurant in Las Vegas when Harris] asked Romney the relevant question. She described the exchange this way:

"His question was something to the effect of, `Considering the problems that we have with the Jihadist movement and the problems we have with the Middle East, would you consider having a Muslim as an adviser that can guide you as to what kind of decisions to make with regards to the Middle East?'"

"He said, `Probably not.'"

Aguirre added that what Romney said next surprised her. "He said something to the effect of, `They're radicals. There's no talking to them. There's no negotiating with them.' I can't remember the exact words he used, but that was the explanation. We left thinking, `Wow, what a racist comment. He automatically assumed that all Muslims are radical.'"

  TPM

Back to Twit:

Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president, not a Catholic running for president. Like him, I am an American running for president. I do not define my candidacy by my religion.

[...]

"I really think JFK did give the definitive speech," Romney told the man. "I think he said what needed to be said. I don’t think anything needs to be added."

That candidate from Massachusetts 50 years ago, JFK, put it this way:

I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end — where all men and all churches are treated as equal — where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice — where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind — and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.

[...]

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute — where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote — where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference — and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

[...]

This is the kind of America I believe in — and this is the kind I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we may have a "divided loyalty," that we did "not believe in liberty," or that we belonged to a disloyal group that threatened the "freedoms for which our forefathers died."

Now, here’s my question: If Romney is elected president (on which day, Satan will be ice-skating to work), will I be sent to the pokey?

I only ask because of this excerpt from his speech:

"Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone.

[...]

Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. " [Emphasis mine]

  TPM

On second thought, the second part of that sentence is an obvious give-away that the Twit is just pulling stuff out of his ass.

I'm not sure to just whom he thought this would appeal. Invoking JFK wouldn't be likely to draw Republican voters. Being a Mormon will forever lose him the Evangelicals, no matter what he might say. Is it the fed-up Democrats he might be looking to hook?

I’ll get to Huckabee’s new prominence as soon as I can stomach more religiosity.


Sunday, September 30, 2007

Missed Opportunity

After the Democratic "Debate" at Dartmouth, I was thinking again about the inappropriateness of Tim Russert's penultimate question asking each candidate to quote his or her favorite bible verse. I purposely did not capitalize the word there, because I want to make a point that at least the candidates had the option of quoting from something other than the Christian bible. But, of course, it was understood that was the book in question.

Here's the transcript of that line of questioning (you can see that, although they are aware of some basic stories, most of them don't know a bible verse, and I imagine pointing that out was the whole point of the exercise):

RUSSERT: I want to give everyone a chance in this. You just take 10 seconds.

Senator Clinton, favorite Bible verse?

CLINTON: The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I think it's a good rule for politics, too.

RUSSERT: Senator Gravel?

GRAVEL: The most important thing in life is love. That's what empowers courage, and courage implements the rest of our virtues.

RUSSERT: Congressman Kucinich?

KUCINICH: I carry that with me at every debate, this prayer from St. Francis, which says, "Lord, make me an instrument of your peace," and I believe very strongly that all of us can be instruments of peace. And that's what I try to bring to public life.

RUSSERT: Senator Edwards?

EDWARDS: It appears many times in the Bible, "What you do onto the least of those, you do onto me."

RUSSERT: Governor Richardson?

RICHARDSON: The Sermon on the Mount, because I believe it's an issue of social justice, equality, brotherly issues reflecting a nation that is deeply torn and needs to heal and come together.

DODD: The Good Samaritan would be a worthwhile sort of description of who we all ought to be in life.

RUSSERT: Senator Biden?

BIDEN: Christ's warning of the Pharisees. There are many Pharisees, and it's part of what has bankrupted some people's view about religion. And I worry about the Pharisees.

  


Sitting by the Gulf tide gazing out on the waters, thoughts sailing across the horizon as they do, it occurred to me that the Democratic candidates that night missed a great opportunity to have chosen to quote what I think would have been the most appropriate verse of all for the situation (check Bob's comment on the previous post for another possible response). Jesus, the Christ (most people seem to think that's his last name and not a title: Jesus Christ, versus Jesus, Christ) admonished his listeners to

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.
[Matthew 22:21, King James Version]
- a very clear command to separate church and state.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


P.S. And, by the way, the transcript isn't entirely complete. It seems that every site posting it has the same thing - probably copied from an original source. But I distinctly remember one of the two following Governor Richardson seconding him by first saying, "The sermon on the mount." It may have been Dodd, but I can't recall. It may have been Biden before he spouted about too many Pharisees, endearing himself to countless American Jews, no doubt.


Sunday, September 23, 2007

Your Sunday Sermon

The Republican presidential candidates might have snubbed the Gay Debate, but some of them - with the major exception of the (media) top four: Giuliani, Romney, McCain, and Thompson* - attended a "Values Voters Debate" which opened with a revised version of "God Bless America".

Steve Bennen comments:

I'm trying to imagine the response if, say, Yearly Kos hosted a Democratic presidential candidate forum, which started with a rewritten version of "God Bless America" that disparaged the United States.

It's the kind of thing Fox News would jump all over -- and every Democratic candidate on hand would be asked whether they agreed with the song's lyrical condemnation of the country. Bill O'Reilly would tell us that "God Bless America" is fine the way it is, and it doesn't need to be rewritten by liberals to serve a radical political agenda.

And I want to add: the choir is virtually all black. If black voters think the Republican party is going to serve their interests, they are being led down the proverbial garden path.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


*Ron Paul is actually doing very well in polls and in viewer response to debates, but the media don't seem to want to include him, so it's hard to know who really is favored by the public. Of course the public is fickle, so the favorite can change in a heartbeat.

And, oddly enough, the Values Voters had a straw poll on their debate (self-proclaimed "most important straw poll yet"), and even the four no-shows got votes. Go figger. Okay, Romney didn't get any. Mike Huckabee won by a large margin. Ron Paul second.


Tuesday, September 04, 2007

Bill Richardson Update

Richardson is trying to back his way out of that remark about God and Iowa. I don't think it's going to be successful, though.

"That was an off-the-cuff comment about the importance of Iowa. This was an Iowa crowd — I'm trying to score points, I'm moving up in the polls. So I don't consider that a mistake — that was an off-the-cuff comment, and I stand very strongly behind the fact that Iowa and New Hampshire should be first."

  TPM Election Central

I usually find it's easier to get your foot in your mouth if you take the other one out first.

"Well it was actually meant, if you'd been at the event, it was meant as a joke, and that's all it was," Richardson deputy communications director Katie Roberts told Election Central.

Whoa. Talking about God's blessing isn't likely to be considered a joke in Iowa, and I doubt if any points will be scored with that explanation.

I suspect the Richardson campaign is pretty much toast even in Iowa now.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Thursday, August 16, 2007

What's a Christian to Do?

Rev. Wiley Drake of the First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park, Calif., is asking his supporters to use "imprecatory prayer" to curse Americans United and its leaders.

The argument centers on whether Drake violated federal tax law by "electioneering" when he recently endorsed the presidential candidacy of Republican Mike Huckabee. Americans United on Tuesday asked the Internal Revenue Service to investigate.

  USA Today

Imprecatory prayer? That's one I was not familiar with. So...

What is a Christian to do when the government protects criminals and criminal activity such as the abortion clinic? What is a Pastor to do when the government, or the news media, or well funded liberal hate groups persecute and bad mouth him because of his doctrine? What is a Christian to do when he can not go to the courts, police, and government for justice? What if the courts, police and government are the criminals.

  moseshand.com

That's easy. I remember it from Bible School: Turn the other cheek.

The answer is imprecatory prayer. Here is the definition found in most dictionaries.

Imprecation: A curse, denunciation that conveys a wish or threat of evil).

Imprecatory prayer: To pray for evil or misfortune (malediction, anathema, execration) Information on imprecatory prayer is extremely rare and that definition is so poor that it could almost be called a 'government' definition. Why is this definition poor? What is a better definition?

[...]

Imprecatory prayer is a last resort appeal to God for justice. The so called 'curses' are simply the just penalty called for in the scriptures for the alleged crime. Imprecatory prayer is an appeal to the court of divine justice (1) for protection and (2) the appropriate punishment for the criminals.

So...the "appropriate punishment" for asking the courts to investigate possible election law violations is a curse from God?


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Friday, August 10, 2007

Women of Cover?!?

How'd I miss that Bushism?

Via W3IAI, I have for you a link to 50 great religious quotes from GWB. Go read if you will.


....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.


Thursday, August 09, 2007

Onward Christian Soldiers

If you're going to have a crusade, you need Christian soldiers.

[T]he Pentagon's Inspector General has found that seven military officers, including four generals, engaged in misconduct three years ago when they appeared in a promotional video for an evangelical group called Christian Embassy.

  Raw Story



....but hey, do what you want....you will anyway.